After the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a lot of masks slipped. In this no-fluff conversation, Alisa sits down with John Cooper (Skillet) to unpack why so many Christian leaders waffle, what “third-wayism” really is, and how subtle, academic-sounding concepts like standpoint epistemology are eroding biblical authority and Western civilization itself.

They trace the ideas, test them against Scripture, and tackle hard questions: Is “neutrality” real? Why does third-wayism always drift left on abortion and justice? How should pastors lead without playing “footsy-cakes” with the culture? Plus: a practical framework for discernment (fear of God over fear of man), why many “normies” are done outsourcing their thinking to evangelical elites, and a hopeful look at what God is doing in this cultural moment.

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